this was birthed by a fan taste call 30-year budget that was so hilarious that joe biden literally laughed in his face on national television. >> michael: it was a lot of malarky, isn't that what he said? >> yes. >> michael: it was very exciting especially in boston. it is probably a word used a lot there. >> we know people named malarky there. >> michael: that's true. a lot of our political junky viewers read ezra klein's blog and you recently took issue with him writing, quote . . . why pick this battle charlie? >> because i -- i have spent 30 years in this business and i know people wanting folks to write for free which is what [ inaudible ] was here in the first place, this not a new phenomenon everybody publisher has wanted that person to work for free. but there is all of this thinking -- and i don't deny the importance of the new technologies. everybody is a journalist and i don't deny ezra he is enormously gifted at what he does. but he is not all of journalism, there are a lot of people working out there working on tv, and newspapers, who are being asked to do more for less money,